Iowans for Equal Rights (IER) met with the director of the Iowa Department of Public Health on October 7, 2008. This audio includes a 35 minute discussion of that meeting between IER directors, WOW 98.3 FM talk show host Mac McKoy, and consultant Norman Kjono. Iowans for Equal Rights also issued an October 9, 2008 press release concerning that meeting. Listen, read and learn about dealing with entrenched bureaucracy!

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